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Buzz – The CBU | Superheroes Having Kids

A question that came up in a comic book group on Facebook that I just had to share with my own Facebook group, The Comic Book Underground.

What’s your thought on Superman and Batman having kids? 

Does it change the characters? Does it age Superman and Batman? Does it bother you?

Mine and my guys responses follows:

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Brandon Rucker
Brandon Rucker One guy said “I like it. It’s DC restoring that sense of legacy it lost after Flashpoint. Also, I’m getting older and am a father too so the characters become even more relevant to me-like I’m growing older with them.”
Brandon Rucker
Brandon Rucker Another fella said: “I don’t mind it. Makes sense after 75+ years these guys would procreate. Superman and Lois Lane are the quintessential couple, it’s about time they did something other than make goo goo eyes and have a marriage that’s retconned in See More
Joe Gardner
Joe Gardner My break is almost over. I’ll answer after work.
Logan Dalton
Logan Dalton I’m cool with it, especially since Damian is such a great character. And I guess it makes sense that the “fathers” of the superhero genre have some kids of their own
Ryan Gaumer
Ryan Gaumer Most of their readers now have kids. I think it’s another example of the medium better reflecting the audience.
Michael Tennant
Michael Tennant I like it myself. Gives another dimension to play with in storytelling
Michael Tennant
Michael Tennant It gives vulnerability to Clark as well as giving him the opportunity to teach and be a mentor.
Michael Tennant
Michael Tennant With Bruce he examines his methods through the relationship with his actual son v that with his adopted children
Michael Tennant
Michael TennantOh and this is awesome
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Like · Reply · 3 · September 9 at 12:09pm

Garbiel Guerrero
Garbiel Guerrero I’m good with them raising a child together.
Terrence Sage
Terrence Sage I dig it heavily. Jon and Damian can eventually be their own brand of Hero and honor what came before. Kal and Bruce having kids feels both old and new for DC Rebirth. We’ve seen this before but it feels like new ground.
Sean McPhillimy Taylor
Sean McPhillimy Taylor Batman 6 makes this discussion even more compelling, but it would be a major spoiler to explain why…
Stefan Zuber
Stefan Zuber If they did have kids it would only make sense. I mean they are after all “people” with, one would assume, natural instinct driven desires to procreate and have a family. Besides…it would be fun to read about father and son adventures with ones child.
Brandon Rucker
Brandon Rucker ^ Would be? It already is 🙂
Stefan Zuber
Stefan Zuber Well it would be if one had children. Not all of us do. Lucky for you though
Brandon Rucker
Brandon Rucker So . . . in another 15-20 years can we expect a Spider-Baby, y’all?
Joe Gardner
Joe Gardner Not if you count Renew Your Vows from Secret Wars. And coming back this fall, apparently.
Joe Gardner
Joe Gardner I haven’t read the current Superman (I need to), and Snyder’s New52 run didn’t involve a lot of Damien, so I’m not terribly familiar with the Super Sons. But I hope to check out the series. But the Spidey series from Secret Wars with Peter, MJ, and AnnSee More
Sean McPhillimy Taylor
Sean McPhillimy TaylorBatman and Robin by Tomasi, even if just the final arc where Batman brings Damian back to life.
Adam Hank Johnson
Adam Hank Johnson I love it. My son was born in 13. Damians death brought me into Batman. The wordless issue of Batman and Robin was powerful. Signed on for Tomasi had loved him on GLC. Slowly wanted more Batman and around Zero Year I discovered Spawn Art in a DC book and bought the past trades and added title. This is my Superman too awesome for him to have a son now as well. Every kid wants to be rich like Bruce or have Clark’s power. Everyman wants a son deep inside.Ultimate Entertainment draw.
Kais Slim Saidi
Kais Slim Saidi Clark having a son would not bother me.
The better question is how Bats and Supes are written. But they already have spiritual sons/daughters in the storylines I bother with and like, so they are father/uncle figures in some ways.
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Poll | Comic Book Underground’s Favorite Publishers

The poll Question I posed to the members of my Facebook group The Comic Book Underground last week:

The majority of your monthly and/or trade paperback reads come from which of the following publisher?

With only 21 participating votes, the results were:

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DC Comics (Including the Vertigo imprint)

The resurgent #2 publisher in the market with 8 total votes, which ties them with the #3 publisher.

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Image Comics (including the Top Cow, ShadowLine & SkyBound imprints)

The #3 publisher took the early lead in the poll (a charge led by yours truly, of course), but ultimately tied with the house of DC: Rebirth with 8 total votes also.

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Marvel Comics (including the Icon & MAX imprints)

The currently battle-tested #1 publisher takes the third spot with only 4 total votes, which is a surprise because 12, 18, 24 months ago this would not have been the case. If the CBU is but a tiny microcosm of current fandom, then it appears Marvel has fallen from grace a bit.

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Valiant Entertainment

Arguably “the best” non-premier publisher under Diamond’s distribution umbrella, the house of Harbingers brings up the rear at the fourth spot with merely one vote. However, it beat out AfterShock, Boom! Dark Horse (my current #2 personally), Dynamite, IDW and Other, which all had zero votes, so there’s that at least.

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Buzz: An R-Rating for Wolverine 3?

wolverineiiirSo the big comic book movie news that went viral today was that the makers of the forthcoming Wolverine 3 (2017) movie are “targeting an R rating”, according to Comicbook.com (and plenty of other sources). My initial reaction was one, surprisingly, of conservative preservation of the status quo.

Of course this comes on the heels of the R-rated Deadpool movie having a record-breaking February opening this past weekend. You know how Hollywood works, it’s a copycat town so of course the next Wolverine movie should be rated R, right? I presented this topic to my comics and geek culture group The Comic Book Underground on Facebook today with this opening from me:

Here we go, because Hollywood is gonna Hollywood. Wolverine is an exception, I suppose, but let’s not start making every team movie the Watchmen (insert wink emoji).

And thus, ensued a spirited for it-versus-against it conversation in regards to the upcoming Wolverine movie having certain liberties that come with an R rating, copied and pasted here, unedited (because I’m lazy):

Terrence Sage This makes sense to me. It’s Logan swan song.

Joe Gardner I don’t know. Wolverine SHOULD’VE been R from the get go. But now that you’ve made him PG-13, it’s going to be hard to change that. Especially if you thought the parent backlash against Deadpool was bad.

Like · Reply · 2 · 8 hrs

Garbiel Guerrero Why bother. An R Rated Origin is what we deserved. Too late man, game over.

Like · Reply · 1 · 8 hrs

Michael Tennant There is no reason you need an R-Rating for Wolverine. None at all. Never has been. Character isn’t known for using foul language or graphic sex…violence maybe but it’s not like you cannot get by with pg13

Unlike · Reply · 2 · 8 hrs

James Lawrence I’m not sure what Wolverine you’ve been reading Michael, cussing, blood, guts and killing are all Wolverine traits IMO. The sex part no.

Like · Reply · 1 · 8 hrs

Brandon Rucker Gotta say I agree with Michael Tennant on this. To get to that rating in that kind of movie you have to be trying hard to get there which means it will be gratuitous.

Like · Reply · 1 · 8 hrs

Brandon Rucker James What cuss words has Wolverine uttered that would warrant an R rating? Or even the frequency? Because to earn an R rating merely on language you would have to be cussing like a Tarantino movie and dropping sexual references which Wolverine does not do. He’s not Deadpool.

Michael Tennant My favourite Wolverine graphic novel Blood Hungry would be hard pressed to get an r rating

James Lawrence None, because fuck, shit, piss and cunt aren’t allowed in comics. IF they were I think he’d be right up there with the top power users of those words. He’s no Captain America when it comes to foul language…LOL
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Michael Tennant I’m no Captain America either but I do throw those words out indiscriminately

Garbiel GuerreroI think not seeing him curse is a byproduct of being such a popular line. How many times do you get “what the….” or “holy ….” just to be interrupted by a blast or building collapse. It’s Wolverine, he’s drowned his own son, he curses.

But still not needing an r rated movie.

Like · Reply · 2 · 7 hrs

Joe GardnerI’m fairly certain Wolverine would be quite violent. Especially berserker rage Wolverine. THAT would warrant an R.

Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs

Brandon Rucker Well the comics are the standard, right? Plus the movies so far. Again, if you want to get into the gratuitous area that the R rating allows, fine, but it will be glaring and unnecessarily showy. One utterance of fuck doesnt earn the r-rating. Several will. When has it ever been necessary for Wolverine to utter more than necessary? He’s not a fucking sailor. Also, I’ve never walked out of any superhero movie thinking “Damn, I wish they had cussed more and shown more blood.” Because you can have intense violence sans blood and gore on a PG-13 rating.

Like · Reply · 2 · 5 hrs

Joshua HootenDeadpool gets an R rating and now everybody wants an R rating.

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James Lawrence He’s a guy that kills people with the claws attached to his hands and doesn’t think twice about it. But cursing is out of character for him…ok Boy Scout material right there…LOL He’s not Captain America or Spider-man.

I don’t need cursing or blood but it doesn’t bother me either.

Like · Reply · 1 · 3 hrs · Edited

Joe Gardner All I’m saying is, if they would have started with an R, this would make sense. And you could’ve justified Wolverine with an R. Not vulgar like Deadpool, but still. And I’ve enjoyed the two movies, so the R isn’t necessary. But now that you’ve made two PG-13 movies, you’ll have a hard sell to make the third R.

Brandon Rucker James it’s not about it being a bother, it’s about whether or not it’s necessary. The possibility comes up and y’all lose your minds with need like we just gotta have it.. My opinion is we’ve gone decades without it, is it really necessary to shoe-horn it in just because we can? I could jump off my roof, doesn’t mean I should or that it’s a great idea.

Like · Reply · 1 · 51 mins

James LawrenceMy only argument is that it’s 100% fitting with the character. They don’t need to shoe horn it in a final movie.

Brandon RuckerUnderstood. However the studio is “aiming for an R rating”, so, y’know. #DoinTooMuch #TryinTooHard

Like · Reply · 1 · 21 mins · Edited

Joshua HootenBrandon, if you jump off your roof, I’m going to jump off of mine, just to prove I can do it.

Brandon RuckerAnd to your point, the guy kills people with his claws and he’s been doing that successfully for how long with nary a vulgar word? Why start now LOL.

I’m open to any truly compelling arguments as to why Wolverine 3 needs or should be rated R.

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Buzz: Flash Ep. 116 & Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Ep. 214

The Flash

Just to get the BUZZ section of the site going, I’m posting last week’s Facebook conversation in regards to Flash and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Brandon Rucker I just finished watching a great episode of Agents if SHIELD and a rather good episode of Flash and come here and no one’s talking about either? For shame. March 25 at 9:08pm

John Razumich Flash felt like a little bit of a let down after last week. Still good, but less hard-pumping adrenaline. Although I did like the dente between Flash and Captain Cold that set up the motivation for the Rogues that their primary goal is to beat the Flash. March 25 at 9:16pm · Unlike · 2

Joe Gardner Sorry, I’ve not watched any TV this week. March 25 at 9:17pm · Unlike · 1

Brandon Rucker There are 21 members here and a dog. We should be able to pick up your little bit of slack while you’re on vacation Joe March 25 at 9:23pm · Like · 2

Joe Gardner If it weren’t for Hulu, I’d be a tad freaked out about missing my “stories”. LOL March 25 at 9:25pm · Unlike · 2

Brandon Rucker John my daughter was saying the same about Flash but given the nature of the last episode and the fact that they aren’t going to fully pay it off right away, our perception of this episode was compromised by default. March 25 at 9:26pm · Edited · Like

Brett DaSilva Yeah. Was expecting something big for Flash, but gonna have to watch last weeks again. I thought Barry knew more about Wells. But he does now. Will be interesting. As for Shield, not liking Simmons right now. Interesting with the two Shields as well. March 25 at 10:31pm · Like

Brandon Rucker SHIELD’s really found its stride this season. All the characters and the individual roles and actions are compelling. March 25 at 10:33pm · Like

Brett DaSilva Yep. Liked Ward and Agent 13 as well. Not sure what they are up to. March 25 at 10:34pm · Unlike · 1

Brandon Rucker Nope, not all sure. Btw, James should really be watching SHIELD. It’s a slice of Marvel he could actually enjoy. Like, seriously. March 25 at 10:36pm · Like · 1

James Lawrence I need superheroes in my superhero shows, does Shield provide that? March 25 at 10:37pm · Like

Brandon Rucker Who said it was a “superhero” show? March 25 at 10:38pm · Like

James Lawrence Anyone see Iron man on Arrow tonight? March 25 at 10:38pm · Like · 1

Brandon Rucker You watch Gotham right James? No superheroes there, buddy. March 25 at 10:39pm · Like

James Lawrence No because Gotham is a show about a kid that grows up to become a superhero! Plenty of supervillains though. March 25 at 10:41pm · Like

Brandon Rucker There’s more super-powered stuff going on in SHIELD than there is in Gotham, buddy. March 25 at 10:42pm · Like

Brandon Rucker And btw, we’ll never see that kid in Gotham grow up to be a superhero, so that point is a bit moot March 25 at 10:43pm · Like

Daryll Benjamin Been an emotional week for me but I’ll share a few interesting points that got responses from Grant, Ming Na, and Kurt Busiek when I get home March 26 at 12:09am · Unlike · 1

Brandon Rucker Awesome, Daryll. Always appreciate your insight and perspective. March 26 at 12:10am · Like

Daryll Benjamin I called Barry a douche on Twitter along with saying that he never saw Back to the Future II which got Grant Gustin laughing March 26 at 12:10am · Unlike · 2

Daryll Benjamin Then I got Mark Hamill to retweet my point that he already stole next week’s show through the promo March 26 at 12:12am · Unlike · 1

Daryll Benjamin On the SHIELD side, I moaned out loud that I had to wait a week for Bobbi vs May… Which got BOTH actresses retweeting…. March 26 at 12:13am · Unlike · 1

Daryll Benjamin And I asked Kurt Busiek if he saw the episode because NuSHIELD felt a lot like his V-Battalion from Thundersolts March 26 at 12:15am · Unlike · 2

Daryll Benjamin So I was on a roll but I was totally geeking over both shows March 26 at 12:15am · Unlike · 1

Brandon Rucker ^ Hell yeah! March 26 at 12:16am · Like

Daryll Benjamin I’m about 40 mins from doing it with Arrow so if I get anything interesting I’ll share of course March 26 at 12:17am · Like

Steve BurnChimp Damm Scheduled for tomorrow afternoon while I write a review. March 26 at 12:47am · Like

Brett DaSilva Awesome Daryll . I got geeked out when the artist of the Nova re-tweeted my review and favorited it March 26 at 8:20am · Like

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